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AC2OG
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2.397 GHz Link
Hello,
I have a 2.397 GHz link between 2 nodes.
One Up-Hill IR3UVV-1 and the other Down-Hill IK3BNO-1. The real-time signal-to-noise evaluated on the two sides is very different. See the attached .docx
What could cause the strong variability of the signal on the downhill node? 
The node uphill is a MikroTik mANTBox_2 (12dBi 120°) and the one downhill is a MikroTik LDF2 mounted on an 80 cm offset dish.
 
NM7B
Local QRM
My guess would be the downhill node has some local QRM that is impacting the received signal.  I was going to suggest trees impinging the downhill node, but I would expect that to also impact the down-to-up path as well.  

Good luck!  This is part of the interesting challenge of working on microwaves.  I had a similar situation over a challenging 3 GHz path that I attributed to a 5G site being turned on near one end of the path.  

73s,
Collier
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kc8ufv
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Is the downhill node near
Is the downhill node near other things, such as homes or businesses? I'd suspect it's other wifi networks or 2.4GHz uses near that node. Other uses would include, but not be limited to, bluetooth, wireless security cameras and security systems, cordless phones... Keep in mind that 2.397 (ch -1) is only slightly outside the license-free ISM band, so, if there's a strong signal at the bottom end of that band, it could de-sense the node enough to raise the noise floor, and if it's bursty, it could easily cause a variable SNR like you see. I'm also guessing the UpHill node is physically more isolated from other RF sources. 

Given the effect isn't symmetrical, I'd generally say it's unlikely to be path-related variables, such as vegetation moving - you'd normally see that in both directions, though vegetation moving could also cause reflections of noise into the antenna. I notice the Downhill node is an LDF2. I presume you have that mounted to a dish, in which case it's going to be a lot narrower beamwidth antenna, which could magnify such effects on the noise floor, especially compared to the extremely wide pattern of the mANTBox. I suspect the dish isn't moving in the wind, or we'd see variance on the mANTBox side...
AC2OG
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Thanks, Chrissy and Collier
Thanks, Chrissy and Collier for sharing your considerations with me! I'll try to establish a link with the up-hill mANT from a down-hill site without routers or access points nearby to eliminate one of the potential causes. Concerning the LDF2, the offset 80cm dish it is mounted on has a 24 dBi gain (not a very narrow beam). The 2.397 GHz frequency is -2 Channel, so I would exclude interferences from other license-free ISM band services.
73 de Leo, I3RKE/AC2OG
 
kc8ufv
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Even on -2, you're only 3
Even on -2, you're only 3 channels away from the lowest wifi channel. When I was referencing noise levels, power and proximity of the source are most important, and could be tens of MHz off frequency at that band. Another possible concern is licensed cellular transmitters just BELOW the band, it's not unusual for those to be 50W extremely wide bandwith transmitter.
 

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