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W8MRL
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Beginner questions
My node is up and running (M2Bullet),  it is connected into port 1 on a GS108E switch configured per the AREDN recommendations.  I have a laptop plugged into port 2 and can access the Bullet.    The laptop accesses the internet via wireless connection.   WIFI, LAN, WAN settings on the administration screen are default.  I get lost at this point.  

Do I need to hard wire the switch (from the WAN port #8) back to my home network router in order to access the web from the node?   I have Disable Default Route OFF.   

If I can get internet access to the node, then I will work towards tunneling into the Dayton,Ohio mesh as well as advertising my node and the other area node on the AREDN map.

I also need to make a video feed (Pi with camera which I have) visible from the internet to demonstrate potential capabilities to local officials, but that is for another time.

Any help would be appreciated.  Oh assume I know nothing you won't insult me with overly simple steps or details.

73 and thanks in advance for your help,

Rob
AE6XE
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Rob,
Rob,

The assumption is you have accessed the netgear admin screens and configured the vlan settings per the documentation.  Out of box, it won't function properly for an AREDN node.

"Do I need to hard wire the switch (from the WAN port #8) back to my home network router in order to access the web from the node?   I have Disable Default Route OFF. "    -    Yes cat5 from netgear-designated-WAN-port to your home router.  Leave "disable default route" OFF.   If you turn that on, your devices (laptop, etc.) would not have access to the internet.     Turn off the laptop wireless, it will access the internet via the mesh node in turn to your home network via cat5.

Joe AE6XE



 
W8MRL
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Could I...

For convenience sake only, could I use an old wireless router - turning off DHCP and use it as an access point that is hardwired into the WAN port 8 on the switch?  Or will I be opening a nightmare of address issues?

AJ6GZ
If that access point can act
If that access point can act as a client to your main network it should work. You'll probably want to turn off any NAT or firewalling on it as well so it's most like a bridge. On the main node screen you should see one of your regular network IP's in the "WAN address" field, assuming you've configured WAN to DHCP on the node.
W8MRL
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So, I have a wireless router

So, I have a wireless router in bridge mode.  It is hardwired to port 8 of the NetGear GS108E (the switch is configured per AREDN directions).  If I plug the cable into another computer it will directly access the internet via the home network.  

Disable Default Route is not checked.
Mesh Gateway is not checked.
WAN protocol (Basic Setup Page) is set to DHCP with default DNS 1 and 2 IPs.

I've rebooted the M2 Bullet, switch and laptop that is into port 2 (it sees the node just fine). 

The node doesn't see the internet, so I'm missing something.  I can't get my head around how a 10.x.x.x network can  interact with my 192.168.x.x home network and that's probably where I'm missing a step. 
If I change the WAN to STATIC and enter an IP address, the node thinks there is internet access but it never connects.  Is this the path I need to be on?  My home router IP is 192.168.0.1.

Any detailed help would be appreciated. 

Thank you!

K6AH
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The AREDN node's "Internet"
The AREDN node's "Internet" cable (from the switch port configured as "Internet") simply plugs into your home router.  The AREDN node obtains a 192.168.0.x IP address from your router.
W8MRL
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I guess I'm going to have to
I guess I'm going to have to run a lot of cable from my desk to the router in the basement.   I thought I could use a wireless router in bridge mode to bring it close to the switch, then use CAT5e from the wireless router into the switch on port 8 (WAN port).  I'll try to go direct from the switch to home network router and see if it takes.   Thank you.
AE6XE
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Rob, if you can plug a cable
Rob, if you can plug a cable from your laptop to the wireless bridge and it then receive a 192.168.0.x address on the laptop from your home network, then this path can work.     If the next step in connecting the network cable from port 8 on the network to the wireless bridge does not result in the same thing (the WAN of the mesh node receiving a 192.168.0.x address from your home network -- can see on node status page), then there is a config issue on the netgear.     Running a cat5 cable from the netgear to your home router, would still experience the same root cause issue.     

Joe AE6XE
 
W8MRL
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I will check that - thank you
I will check that - thank you, Joe!
AA7AU
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Alternate network extensions

There are ethernet-over-power (EOP) adapters that will enable you to plug one ethernet cable into a router port and the adapter into a house power 110v outlet. You can then plug the other adapter's power connection anywhere which is attached to the same AC power panel and then connect whatever ethernet-cable device you wanted to directly connect to your router.  Some folks complain about stray RF on HF from these, so test if you can before finalizing. Works great for me in mulitple apllications (including multiple adapters). I've used 6-yr old TrendNet TPL-303E Powerline Ethernet Adapters and even older models with good success.

If everything in your house is on the same panel, you can use them anyplace in  your house to extend your ethernet network. I like this much better than Wireless. You can even plug a remote switch in and get lots of ports at a remote location.

HTH - Don - AA7AU

W2TTT
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Any noise from your EOP devices?
Don,
Do you hear any HF or AM broadcast noise from these devices? 
For that matter anything on VHF or UHF?
Professionally I have had complaints about VDSL that turned out to be these EOP devices.
Thoughts?
Gordon Beattie W2TTT
201.314.6964
 
AA7AU
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Not sure

I use these in places where I do not have HF so no input on that. As I mentioned, I have heard reports from other of stray RF from EOP devices.  I do wonder if the issues are EOP vendor-specific rather than type-specific. Wish I had more to offer. Please post anything further you find.

One reason I mention them is that I have one unusual mesh node setup where I am using EOP over a long AC-power extension cord to carry the netowrk back to the structure where the power is plugged into and the other end adapter is inside that structure (with no HF etc). Don't have to worry about power-loss over a very long POE ethernet cable between structure and mesh node and don't have to worry about hardwire ethernet cabling inside stucture to other end.

Thanks,
- Don - AA7AU

note: blue ethernet cable runs to Mesh Node; other connection is to AC power cable
 

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It's alive!
I finally have access to my home network from the node. I don't know which setting was wrong in the Netgear GS108e switch but when I went through and reset everything, rebooted everything - it works.

Thanks to Joe and Andre for being so helpful!

Rob

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