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KK6NAN
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Seeking advice for first node set up in Long Beach

Greetings, thank you AREDN team for your work on this project, and for putting this website together, great information here! I’m looking forward to getting some nodes up soon. Here’s my use case: I live in Los Angeles, and I want to set up a VOIP link from a mobile station near westwood (my work) to Long Beach (home). After using the Ubiquiti airLink outdoor wireless link calculator, i’ve realized that a direct line of sight from work → home is obstructed, but I have a property out near the Griffith Observatory that I can use to locate a middle node, with sufficient views of both work and home. Also, the map shows a 2.4 Ghz station in Torrance, and the airLink calculator shows that i could link through that station too. The NanoStation on the 2.4 Ghz band seems like a good initial purchase, but I’m going to do some more research about which Ubiquiti/TP equipment makes most sense for my first home node set up. I found a great paper on the AREDN project written by Andre K6AH, and I’m eager to config and point my first node’s antenna toward an existing network node, but it seems that the location of my first target node option(s?) will influence my initial hardware purchase. The Pleasants peak coverage map looks like it covers my home area. Is there a LA County map, similar to the OC mesh map? Or other ways to discover additional nodes in my local area, not configured to display on the AREDN map?  Much thanks in advance for any thoughts on this project!  73, Frank

w6bi
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Mesh in L.A. County...
..other than what's shown on the map, seems to be pretty dormant.   We in Ventura County are working with a group in the San Fernando Valley to get them going on mesh, but it's all in the preliminary stages so far.  That doesn't help you any, but thought you might appreciate the background.

If you do put up a node you can search for other nodes, by doing a WiFi scan on different channel/bandwidth combinations.   10 MHz is the most popular bandwidth, with 5 Mhz being used in San Diego.  Channel -2 is almost universally used in populated areas, but you could try -1 also.
Of course the nodes are directional, so you'd have to rinse & repeat the above every 90 degrees or so of azimuth :-)

With luck someone in Los Angeles will also respond with more information than I've been able to provide.

Hope this helps.
AE6XE
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Frank, Just in case you've
Frank, Just in case you've not seen, check out http://ocmesh.org .   There are mesh nodes in down town LA on the 11th floor with a 40 mile link to Pleasants Pk on 3Ghz and local coverage with 2Ghz, but I believe the coverage is easterly.   Another option is a 17.5 link from Westwood to Huntington Hospital in Pasadena, but this may not have sufficient height on both ends for line-of-sight.   JPL has coverage of Pasadena area, but there's a hill in your way.   There are others with some interest in Long Beach area (gave a presentation to LB ARC once) and may be some pins on the ocmesh.org maps to sync up with (ocmesh.org has lots of details outside of OC.)

Griffith Observatory area sounds like a great opportunity to setup coverage of LA area.   Build it they will come...  I'd be happy to dialog more local details offline to support putting something like this up.  Don, KE6BXT, and I manage the Pleasants Pk site.  You can reach me at <callsign> @ arrl.net .

Joe AE6XE
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Just a reminder about contacting Forum people

Just a reminder that you can click on a Forum poster's callsign, such as AE6XE above, and bring up that person's profile. Then select the far right tab on the profile labeled Contact to send a private email directly to the person. No need to put email addresses or their obfuscated version in a Forum post.

KK6NAN
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Thank you for the responses

Thank you for the responses and references. I have some good leads to work on, I will post back when first node is up:)

Frank KK6NAN

AI6HJ
Sparse nodes in LA county

LA county looks like a wasteland on the map, maybe because the flat terrain and urban clutter limits range so much. With no other nodes to hop, you will be a trailblazer in that area. Get some altitude and a node with a higher gain antenna to span the distance without help from intermediate nodes. The node in Torrance looks like an indoor unit, Air router HP, so it will be good for only 100 yards or so. You probably wont see it
Frank did you get your hardware already?
I saw AREDN supports NanoBridges, they might be a good candidate with the hi gain antenna version. i didnt see a link for the 2GHz version. Cant get them anymore? Anybody have experience with the NanoBridge 5G25? The Amazon link had one for around $100. I wonder if the downtown LA or Pleasants node can be reached on 5GHz
have fun experimenting!
-Pete AI6HJ
 

K1baa
NanoBridge 5G25
I am using a NanoBridge 5G25 for a link between North Whittier and the Mesa at JPL. It's a 15.2 mile link an it's up all the time with LQ NLQ of 100%88% right now. I need to readjust my azimuth slightly but I regularly show 30mbps+ of Txmbps.


 
KK6NAN
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AREDN node is up in Long Beach
I have a Rocket M2 / Omni 13dBi up yes    it doesn't see any neighbor nodes yet, but its a start.

When i put my mast up, how much distance should i put between the omni (at top) and where i mount the NanoBridge M3?

Frank KK6NAN
AE6XE
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I have 2Ghz, 3Ghz, and 5Ghz
I have 2Ghz, 3Ghz, and 5Ghz Rocket-Sector_panel devices ~16" apart in a row with no detectable interference.    You could have the NanoBridge immediately below the Omni, but I'd mount the NB as low as you can go and still maintain line-of-sight.  It may be easier if you need to pull down to do maintenance, etc.   Separation is always preferred. 

Joe AE6XE

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