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Ac8pt
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Hi,

I need help configuring a Ubiquity 8 port Tough switch for use in a mobile deployment situation.  I am an Oral & Maxillofacial surgeon and have very little expertise with computers and networking.  We are just getting started in my area.

I have 2 nodes with the AREDN firmware; a BM2-Ti/HG-2415U-Pro and an Air Grid (AG-HP-213G) which I hope to use independently or together for a mobile deployment.  I hope to use a dedicated ASUS laptop with 4G RAM, a Raspberry Pi2 1G with an external hard drive 1T as a LAMP stack server, and a Verizon hotspot through my IPhone 6+ for Internet access through the BM2-Ti, and finally I have a Grandstream GXP-1610 which I would like to use.

Can someone "hold my hand" and help?

73
scott ac8pt

 
WU2S
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Toughswitch configuration help
Yes, I can assist you. I have several 5 port and 8 port Toughswitches in use, and a few extra are on the lab bench for testing. 
73,
Randy WU2S
Ac8pt
Does my stated plan present
Does my stated plan present any difficulties or is it reasonably sound?

I also have a RM2/AMO-213G which I want to install at my QTH as the mesh develops using my home Netgear/TWC cable internet, but that can wait.  I was hoping to get by with a 5 port Tough switch for that later.

What is the best way to get started?  Off of the forum or on the forum?  

Scott
K5DLQ
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My concern is how you are
My concern is how you are going to connect your phone to the mesh to provide an internet gateway.   
(Also, I wouldn't bet on cell service being available in a EMCOMM situation).

 
Ac8pt
I understand infrastructure
I understand infrastructure (Internet)  may not be available during a real serious region wide activation; but would anybody have internet then?  While it is available, I had hoped I could access it through my dedicated laptop.  I had only wished to use my VoIP phone within the mesh network and had hoped to have the switch help me do that.
WU2S
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Getting started with a Toughswitch configuration

Your plan seems reasonable and there are few things for you to consider. A good place to start is with the How-Tos on this site which explain VLANs. Another good resource is Clint Anderson's information on setting up a Netgear GD108E on his website at ae5ca.com

Your considerations include:

  1. Do you want some, all or none of the Ubiquiti nodes powered from the Toughswitch
  2. Do you want an Internet connection available to the nodes?
  3. Do you want each node to have a port assigned to it so that you can have a computer or camera associated with each node
  4. Will the Toughswitch be easily accessible and managed from its management port, or will you prefer to manage the switch primarily from the mesh

Let's keep the conversation going in the Forum so that others can learn and contribute.

Randy

Ac8pt
In answer to your questions:
In answer to your questions:
-1. I would like both of the mobile nodes to be powered off of the Toughswitch to decrease cable clutter.
-2. Yes, I wish to have an Internet connection to the BM2-Ti node.  I had hoped to access the Internet through my dedicated laptop (I had also hoped to have the laptop support RMSexpress/Winlink and my VOIP phone on the mesh network only).
-3. I had hoped to always attach my laptop (and eventually a video camera) to the Toughswitch.
-4. It will be accessible, although I am trying to conjure up a go box type of container solution to house the Toughswitch, the Raspberry Pi, and the Pi's external hard drive.

scott
Ac8pt
Should have also mentioned,
my alternative power supply is a Goal Zero Yeti 1250 solar charger and a Targus cigar plug inverter 120-150W.
WU2S
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Sample TS-8 configuration
  1. Bullet M2 in Port 1 - Powered ON as 24V
  2. AirGrid 2G16 in Port 6 - Powered ON as 24V


 

  1. Internet connection (if present) in Port 8. You may need to obtain an accessorie for your hotspot. For example, the Verizon JetPack (NetGear) needs a cradle accessory to supply the Ethernet port on the hotspot.
  2. Laptop, Raspberry Pi, VoIP phone and camera go to Ports 2.3.4.5. These devices will get IP addresses from the Bullet M2
  3. The Bullet and the AirGrid will be Device-to-Device (DtD) connected
  4. Port 7 is used for a laptop or other device to connect to the AirGrid and obtain an IP address from it.



 

  1. You may want a slightly bigger inverter. The Toughswitch 8 requires 150w.
  2. Nice Seahorse cases are available from Fuerte Cases in La Mesa, CA
  3. If you leave the Toughswitch DHCP setting STATIC you will have to connect a laptop (with an IP address on the 192.168.1.x subnet) to its management port to change its settings in the future. If you set the Toughswitch DHCP to ON, it will get an IP address from the Bullet and it may be managed from the mesh network.




 

Ac8pt
Randy,
Randy,

Thanks so much.  I have been reading a lot lately and I want to digest this.

Scott 
Ac8pt
Another question
Randy,
What are the relative advantages/disadvantages with regard to the choice of DHCP STATIC vs DHCP ON for my laptop connection?  Is it just a matter of setting an IP address as I did to load firmware into the Ubiquity devices each time I want to change parameters on the switch when set STATIC (remember I am a beginner)?

Scott 
 
WU2S
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Static vs DHCP

Yes, you understand correctly. With Static you have to manually set your laptop IP to something like 192.168.1.22 and connect it to the TS-8 management port. If you select DHCP, the TS-8 will get an IP from the Bullet (eg. 10.208.17.51) and with a laptop already connected in Port 2, you can open a browser window and see the TS-8 web page at the 10.x.x.x address

Ac8pt
A couple more questions

I did find a 400W  "cigar plug" inverter in a coffee cup shape with 3 USB ports and 2 AC outlets.

- I had thought to put Asterisk/PBX for the VoIP phone on the Raspberry Pi, but would it be better to have it running in the background on my dedicated laptop?
- Will my laptop, Raspberry Pi, the VoIP phone, or a video camera be powered off of the switch or through separate power cords?
- I am confused about my internet access issues.  My laptop easily connects to my Verizon iPhone hotspot.  Why is that not a way to provide Internet to the switch OR is it just easier to use a "Cradlepoint" type device?

scott




 

WU2S
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Internet connection
The Ubiquiti AREDN node, a bullet in your case, needs to see a WAN gateway IP address to connect to the Internet. You laptop connecting to the hotspot does not normally provide this. Under Windows, there is, I believe, and Internet connection sharing capability that might work, but I have not tried it. I have used a Cradlepoint MBR1400 with a Sierra Wireless AC340U cell modem to provide Internet access in a scenario similar to yours.
Randy
Ac8pt
Randy,
Randy,

This little mesh network project is turning into a relatively expensive undertaking and I am rapidly getting buried in this or that gear/equipment.   I suppose, in this instance of wanting a useful mobile system to support emcomm, having internet connectivity may not be that important (maybe the Internet wouldn't be available or if my node is linked to the mesh the Internet could be reached through another node).

Nevertheless, could you provide a recommendation for the provision of Internet connectivity with an emphasis on a smaller form factor, a consideration towards cost, and a bias towards fewer cords & cables?

How would a Ubiquiti Security Gateway (USG) fit into a mesh network scheme?  Does it just act as a "firewall"?

scott
WU2S
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Alternatives
I agree that with a mobile setup, Internet connectivity may not be a high priority, especially with a focus on emcomm support. So, building the first layer with the Toughswitch, the AREDN nodes and the other devices, with suitable power distribution and a sturdy case is a substantial project by itself.

For Internet connectivty via a cellular modem, the Cradlepoint solution is one that I know works, although at $300 plus it is pricey. Adding on top of that an external antenna for the cell modem such as the Wireng Aerialight to enable better reception in remote areas, and the ham treasury starts complaining. Since I have not tried it, I cannot recommend it, but one of the very few alternatives that seem to provide a failover capability using a cell modem is the Netgear DGN2200 for about $80. This is intended as a DSL router, but it seems it could be used just with a cell modem all the time.

Since I am not familiar with the Ubiquiti USG, I can't offer many comments, other than to ask what kind of network are you designing and where are firewalls needed?

If you do assemble your Toughswitch and other gear into a mobile package, I would like to see a picture or two and a bill of materials, with some commentary on why you chose what you did. Your shared ideas and experience will surely help the community grow.

73,
Randy 
Ac8pt
Everyone on this forum seems
Everyone on this forum seems so sophisticated about networking and computer stuff. Different education.  I, however, feel no trepidation removing part of a patient's mandible and harvesting a portion of their Iliac crest for grafting.  We all have different gift's.

I am concerned I am making foolish choices with such a limited background in this field.  I originally started this project to help another ham with his mesh setup.  I however cannot link with the mesh unless I build a 300 ft tower (wife says NO, hi hi).  I felt I could setup a mobile node, but I wanted it to be useful to his mesh.

Thanks for your help.

73
Scott ac8pt



 
Ac8pt
WU2S, another question

Randy,

- I am still sorting out how to in expensively solve my issue with using my Verizon hotspot for mobile internet access.  I have found 2 devices which to my limited knowledge should act as Ethernet bridges.  Would you be kind enough to give me your thoughts?

IOGEAR  GWU627 & Ubiquiti airGateway (the data sheet says it can be configured in 3 modes, one of which is as an Ethernet bridge).  Both are cheap.

73
Scott

K5DLQ
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I have an AirGateway and love
I have an AirGateway and love it for providing WIFI access to the mesh.
 
Ac8pt
Thanks
Thanks
Ac8pt
Airgateway configuration
Daryl,

How do I do this?  If I have my Toughswitch configured per WU2S instructions, I had hoped to configure it as an Ethernet bridge.  The user guide indicates that I need to connect it to the POE on one of my devices.  I had hoped to connect it to the WAN port with a patch cable once configured.

scott
WL7COO
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Useful dialogue

Gentlemen:

Thank you for having this discussion.  
Listening and learning.

73
...dan wl7coo
 

Ac8pt
K5DLQ need your input
Do I need to just add it to my BM2-Ti's POEand for get using my Toughswitch's WAN port or is there a way to configure the device without plugging it into a radio's POE and configuring it as an Ethernet bridge?
K5DLQ
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Yes.  Plug it into your PoE
Yes.  Plug it into your PoE adapter and your computer to configure it.
You will need to set an admin password, set wireless SSID and passport, and put it in BRIDGE mode.
Once that's done, you should be able to plug your node into it and wirelessly connect to it.
Ac8pt
Well some progress but confounded
I plugged the AirGateway into a POE (which provided it power) and connected an Ethernet cable from the AirGateway LAN port to my laptop.  I connected to the airOS site enter ubnt twice, selected US, etc.  the GUI for the device opened.  I set the administration password & the SSID and password.  tHen the GUI disappeared before I was able to set the "bridge mode".  I can't seem to get back to the devices GUI.
K5DLQ
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some "SAVES" cause it to
some "SAVES" cause it to reboot to reload settings...  try again
Ac8pt
The quick start guide states
The quick start guide states that after clicking "finish" that the device is ready to use.  So I plugged it in line with the POE to my AR-HP and tried to download the tunnel client software to no effect "package failed????".

Presently, it is attached as originally to a POE that isn't connected to a radio/antenna.  The airOS page comes up and asks for a user name and password.  I have no clue which one.  I use the same password on all of my Ubiquity nodes.  They all have names but the AirGateway does not.

Geez, I am feeling kind of dumb.

scott
Ac8pt
K5DLQ, let me ask another
K5DLQ, let me ask another probably silly question.

If a guy had an AR-HP configured as a node and wanted to be tunneled to; how would most folks provide Internet to it (it was my impression that internet was a necessity for a tunnel client relationship to exist on the device/node)?  The AR-HP has 5 ports: the port that connects to the POE and 4 other LAN ports.
K5DLQ
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ok.  i think we were talking
ok.  i think we were talking about two different problems that need to be solved.

Let start over.

You want to provide internet to your "non-AirRouter" node....
1) buy a VLAN capable switch like the Netgear GS105E
2) configure it with a few ports on VLAN1.
3) connect "internet" to a VLAN1 port.
4) connect node to a VLAN1 port.

OR

If you use an AirRouter:
1) connect PoE adapter to power
2) connect PoE side of adapter to the WAN port on the AirRouter
3) connect "internet" to LAN side of the PoE adapter

NEXT:
If you want to access your mesh over standard wifi from a PC or tablet or phone....
1) buy an AirGateway
2) connect the AG into the PoE adapter
3) connect your PC to the LAN side of the AG
4) connect the node to the PoE side of the AG
5) connect via wifi to the AG
6) configure it into BRIDGE mode
7) connect PC to wifi of AG to access the mesh.

I hope that clears it up.

Darryl
Ac8pt
Success, I think.

Daryl,

I connected the AR-HP as you had described to my home router, download of the tunnel client software was successful.  The fellow who wanted to act as a tunnel server was unsure of what information I needed to type in the server name box (I thought it should be the name of his node that is acting as the server); the password (we both thought was my password for the AR-HP); and the network connection box (he was unsure but thought it was his IP address for his server device).  The line for entering the info showed a "small cloud".  After we saved changes and went back to node status->mesh status, nothing showed up (shouldn't I have seen nodes in his mesh?)

Good news is that my Toughswitch functions as devised!

Bad news is that I still don't know how to get to the configuration page for the AirGateway.

scott

Ac8pt
I found the answer to my
I found the answer to my question about what info to enter on the client page in the "tunneling instructions for older ARDEN firmware"

I would still like to figure out how to reach the AirGateway configuration page, though.
Ac8pt
Daryl,
Daryl,

I was able to download the tunneling software but unable to form a tunnel with my friend.  He felt I did not have have internet connectivity.  He asked me to go to the administration page and "refresh" for updates to check for Internet connectivity.  When I did that, I receive a 404 message.  I assumed I did not have Internet access.

What is likely up?

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